{"id":100,"date":"2009-08-24T15:58:02","date_gmt":"2009-08-24T19:58:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/zzzptm.com\/wordpress\/?p=100"},"modified":"2009-08-24T15:58:02","modified_gmt":"2009-08-24T19:58:02","slug":"nobody-wins-in-afghanistan-not-even-the-afghans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zzzptm.com\/wordpress\/?p=100","title":{"rendered":"Nobody Wins in Afghanistan, Not Even the Afghans"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> In the study of World History, Central Asia is an anomaly. There isn&#8217;t a lot of civilization originating out of there, but a whole lot of civilizations get involved with it. It&#8217;s not really entirely part of any other region because of all the influences on it. It&#8217;s also one of the last things empires touch before they fizzle out into the shades of history.<\/p>\n<p>The people of Afghanistan have a saying, &#8220;Nobody wins in Afghanistan, not even the Afghans.&#8221; Consider:<\/p>\n<p>* Medes: take it and then get overthrown by the Achaemenids<\/p>\n<p>* Achaemenids: they start out with Central Asia, but it&#8217;s only a matter of time for them before Al the Great cleans their clock.<\/p>\n<p>* Alexander the Great: conquers Bactria, dies soon thereafter, empire collapses.<\/p>\n<p>* Selucids: they can&#8217;t hold the area and hand it over to the Mauryans, then get owned by the Romans.<\/p>\n<p>* Mauryans: They lose Bactria to a Greek rebellion, then fall apart<\/p>\n<p>* Bactria: Does not end well for them. Overrun by nomads. Not a good way to go, at all.<\/p>\n<p>* Indo-Greek Empire: Conquers Bactria, then implodes due to civil war.<\/p>\n<p>* Han China: gets out that way, then collapses.<\/p>\n<p>* Parthia: Takes the region from the Scythians, then loses it in rebellion, then collapses as an empire<\/p>\n<p>* Persia: rises in glory, conquers Central Asia, fights with the Byzantines and then is utterly destroyed by the rise of Islam<\/p>\n<p>* Islamic Caliphate&#8230; gets out that way, then the Umayyads fall and their empire collapses.<\/p>\n<p>* Tang Dynasty: undone after a disastrous Central Asian battle.<\/p>\n<p>* Khwarezmids: They proudly conquer Central Asia in 1205. Mongols arrive in 1219, which is bad news for the Khwarezmids&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>* Mongols: Like Alexander, they take Central Asia early on, then their empire fractures and fades.<\/p>\n<p>* Timurids: They start off as a Central Asian empire. It does not end well for them, although one of their rulers has a great re-invention as the founder of the Moghul Empire in India&#8230; never gets Central Asia back, though&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>* Safavids: They take Afghanistan, and then stir up a massive uprising there that results in the Afghans invading Persia and ruining the place&#8230; then the Persians rise up and destroy the empire of their Afghan rulers, conquer Afghanistan, then collapse as an empire utterly.<\/p>\n<p>* Durranis: Local dynasty that manages to rule for about 70 years, then collapses due to infighting.<\/p>\n<p>* British: They lose an entire army in Afghanistan in the 1840s and don&#8217;t take over the place until the 1880s&#8230; and then their empire starts to unravel in a series of increasingly successful independence movements.<\/p>\n<p>* Russia: Takes over Central Asia after running out of Siberia and Europe&#8230; completely destroyed in revolution soon afterward.<\/p>\n<p>* Soviet Union: Yeah, like *they* had staying power. They didn&#8217;t even last as long as the Durranis before things started to unravel for them in 1989&#8230; a collapse accelerated by their attempt to take Afghanistan.<\/p>\n<p>* Taliban: Nope. They did not win in Afghanistan, and they&#8217;re still ruining everyone&#8217;s day over there.<\/p>\n<p>* USA: oooh, this is the raw nerve&#8230; but the sad fact remains that when a nation&#8217;s soldiers are being shot at by weapons soldiers traded to the resistance for drugs, it&#8217;s not going to win that war.<\/p>\n<p>I admit a bit of a cavalier approach in some of my assessments&#8230; stretching points here and there&#8230; but it&#8217;s a nice survey of Central Asia, all the same.<\/p>\n<p>Come Visit Beautiful Central Asia: Graveyard of Empires! <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the study of World History, Central Asia is an anomaly. There isn&#8217;t a lot of civilization originating out of there, but a whole lot of civilizations get involved with it. It&#8217;s not really entirely part of any other region because of all the influences on it. 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